Amanda Barr 0:00
Music. Hello friends. I'm Amanda Barr and I'm Rebecca Lew Brennan, and welcome to Dance principles united the podcast together. We are passionate about helping studio owners with the business of running their studio Join us as we talk everything from marketing, systems, studio culture, motherhood, life and everything in between, this is the dance principles United podcast, hey friends and welcome to the dance principles United podcast. Nathan, I are joining you today, and we are so excited to chat about values today, right? Nate,
Nathan Barr 0:35
absolutely, it's something that we look we get asked about a lot, and I think it's something that's super important, and as we're going to talk about today, I think makes so much of what we do in our studio so much easier if we have those strong values that not only, like I said, Help us, but help help our staff and, to be honest, our families and our students as well. I
Amanda Barr 0:56
think absolutely, absolutely. But before we get into all of that. You know, what is going on for you? What's been happening? How's your week been you've done one on ones with studio growth club members this week? Has it been a great week? Absolutely.
Nathan Barr 1:10
We always love one on one weeks is where we get to jump on and really get into, I guess, like we call them needle moving issues with our studio owners as part of SGC, we get to jump on those one on one coaching calls with all of our members, between me, you and BEC and absolutely love jumping into those. Those calls been chatting numbers. Was chatting like had some great numbers conversations following on from talking all things money matters last month and some, some studio owners really starting to deep dive into the numbers of their business and starting to use them to make really good and informed decisions. They're going to help grow their studios.
Amanda Barr 1:52
Yes, so so good. I love one on one week. It's been a great week. We're also prepping for our studio growth club retreat up in the beautiful Noosa. So 10 days away.
Nathan Barr 2:05
Yes, we start, yeah, start the oh, look, I'm going to get it wrong, but very, very soon, let's be honest,
Amanda Barr 2:10
we are so excited to have all of our members up there and have two and a half days of incredible learning. So excited for that, which will be absolutely incredible. Yeah, so
Nathan Barr 2:21
important for, oh, sorry to cut you off, but so important for studio owners to step away from this studio,
Amanda Barr 2:26
absolutely. I think that's so important. Because I think sometimes, you know, we all get in the weeds, right? Like, we absolutely all get in the weeds, and sometimes just removing yourself gives you all those great ideas and art sparks, inspiration and all of those things,
Nathan Barr 2:44
absolutely, absolutely, so, so important. So yeah, we can't wait to get up there and welcome our studio growth club members to the sunny, sunny Noosa. So
Amanda Barr 2:53
good. I was about to say before, Beck's still living her best life, absolutely loving her time in Europe. She's on a cruise in Europe at the moment with her mum and her daughter super jealous. But that's all the things that are happening with us at the moment. So let's get into values. This question came to us from one of our listeners. Is that right? Nate, yeah,
Nathan Barr 3:16
absolutely. And if you do have questions or things that you'd like to hear about on the podcast. Please do drop us a DM because it's quite often like that's the one thing we always say in all of our groups, and everybody that we chat to that so many of us have the same questions and challenges as studio owners, right? So if you, if you've got something, you think, Oh, I'd really love to hear more about that. It's almost certainly something that others are going through, and we've had something that we've probably gone through, so we'd love to chat about and share some of our wisdom and knowledge on it.
Amanda Barr 3:46
Absolutely. So tell me what was the question that came in? Who was it from? Let's get stuck into it. Yeah,
Nathan Barr 3:54
absolutely. So from one of our amazing studio owners, Phoenix studios, asking about studio values. It was something that we that we touched on, going back quite a few podcasts now, I think when we chatted with the amazing Morgan from monsters of dance. So I might link that one in the show notes, if that's something you want to touch on as well. But just like asking, like, are studio values important? What are the benefits of having them? And, you know, what can they look like? And then, most importantly, how do you even come up with them, right? And, like, yeah, like I said, like we did, jump on with with Morgan. I'll definitely link that in the show notes if you want to go back and listen to that one as well, because we know that having strong studio values really helped Morgan grow monsters of dance into the absolute powerhouse in the industry that it is today.
Amanda Barr 4:46
Absolutely. So we're talking about values, and we're going to both talk about our opinions on them. Is that where we're starting? Nate, yeah, absolutely. And look, I. I think people get, you know, I spoke to someone about it the other day, and I think sometimes people get too in their head about values. I've got to be honest, I think that people overthink it. You know, want it to be this perfect document to use these words and it be this, like, I don't know magical unicorn of a thing. And I think that that can sometimes be an issue, right? Because, you know, words are great, but, like, sometimes words are just words. And I have seen studios in the past and businesses, you know, write this like big, flowery, long sentence or, you know, document, or have these, like empowerment words, but they're not actually putting them into their everyday studio culture. And what's the point of having this document if you're not actually using
Nathan Barr 5:56
it, right? Yeah, absolutely. And I think even the word document is the wrong way to think about it, because I don't think it should be a big, you know, it shouldn't be a two, three page document, and something that I always talk to people about, something that I definitely learned coming in to work for with, for you, I'm not sure if, what's the, what's the right way, what short, right word to use there? So coming and working for you amazing, amazing life is the importance of simplifying things, especially when it comes to using our words. I do like to write. Sometimes I get a little bit carried away, and sometimes get a bit word salady, word vomiting even, and sometimes I use too many words. And I think the importance of keeping things like this. I think keeping it simple is what can make your studio values even more powerful. The more complexity we add to these things, the harder it actually is to implement them and to, like you said, live them in our in our day to day studio lives?
Amanda Barr 7:00
Yeah, absolutely. And I think word salad is exactly the problem that I have when people just put a whole heap of flowery words into a bowl and stir them all up like a salad, and it's just all these words that mean nothing. Now, I think the purpose of values needs to be number one, really short and sharp, and it just has to be something that is all encompassing for your studio. And it doesn't have to be this incredible document it, but it does have to be something that is carried through in a feeling. I think that's the most important thing around that, right? But let's talk about what we used to do at our studio days. Do you want to kind of came up with ours? Yeah,
Nathan Barr 7:44
absolutely. So what we felt was important was that the staff actually had buy in to it, because it wasn't just something for like you said, it wasn't just something for me and you to write and stick up on the wall and think, sweet. Done Right. It was tick it off. It was something that we wanted us to, obviously, to live by it was something that we wanted our staff to embody in all of their interactions with with their students and families at the studio. So what we did is the sort of the first time that we got them together, we would have, each year, at the start of each year, we would have staff training, super, super important. You'll hear BEC talk about that in many, many many podcast episodes. But a part of that staff training at the start of each year was to revisit our studio values. But the first time we put them together, we broke our staff off into groups and just got them to start brainstorming and got them to start writing down what they started by dot pointing, then started to get them to try and put it into a sentence. Yeah, it was something that was, I think it was like a couple of hour exercise at the start, but the like we keep talking about, it's actually a lot harder than you think. To keep it brief, it's actually a lot easier to write the big word salady mission statement or the values, but to get everybody's amazing opinions, and then get that down into a couple of sentences and
Speaker 1 9:10
something that's concise, yes, is actually
Nathan Barr 9:13
the bit that is a little bit tricky. So that's all we did. We broke off into groups. We got the amazing our amazing team, to talk about what was important to them, brainstorm what was important to them, what they felt was special about the studio. And then from there, we all came back together and got our studio values. And then, like we said, we would get together at the start of every year in that meeting and read them back out. Are we living by them? Yep. Are we? Are they still relevant? Is this something? Is this something? Is there anything we want to change in here? Because that's super important as well. We are in a pretty rapidly changing world, so it is important to go back and and revisit them.
Amanda Barr 9:50
Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, I think that's really important, that we need to always be revisiting them. Do you want to chat about, like, what ours ended up? Thing,
Nathan Barr 10:00
absolutely, I did go back on and find it. So what we came down is we managed to get ours down into two sentences so the studio values that we had at dance sensations and from memory, I don't know that it changed too much over the years, like maybe word, a word here or there, or just making sure. But because it was so concise, I don't think we needed to to change it up that much. So this dance sensations values were at dance sensations, we provide a special place where students feel safe and supported. This gives them the opportunity to spark a passion for dance and build lifelong memories and friendships.
Amanda Barr 10:38
Okay, awesome. So you know how I like to be honest, like, you know we're talking about making sure it's not a word salad. What that ends up to me talking about, and when I'm firing it quickly to the staff was, we're making memories for kids, and it's all inclusive and safe space. That was where I kind of came back to that was always everything that we decided to do was around that, right? Nate, oh, 100%
Nathan Barr 11:05
and then it allows you to what I loved about it, because, again, like, what I definitely learned from you was coming from, you know, I was coming I used to work in finance, which is obviously a lot of policies and regulations and those sorts of things. And I also worked as a school teacher in those government industries, which is we don't even need to talk about policies and procedures in those sort of places. So I thought that workplaces meant we need lots of policies and procedures in big, long triplicate, blah, blah. But that's not the case, because when you have those, not for small businesses and not but to be honest, not for efficient businesses either, because you can pretty much deal with any situation or challenge that arise if you have good, strong, concise values. Yeah, you can. You can attack any challenge by bringing it back to those, those values. So, like one thing that always comes up, and it's look, it's a fit, like it's always a hot topic, is it out our place to even step in. But what happens if, with social media, if there's some, some sort of cyber bullying or disagreements going on between team members from the studio on social media?
Amanda Barr 12:12
By team members, you mean? Students? Yeah. Sorry. Students, yeah. Sorry. Students,
Nathan Barr 12:16
on social media, like I said, I know that's Is it our place? Is it not? But sometimes we do need to. I've seen studios, unfortunately, and you might be listening to this and thinking, Oh, this is me. But you know, they think that they've got to have these big, long, multi page social media policies. The problem with having social media policies in 2024 is you'd literally need to change them every second day with how quickly the social media landscape changes, right? But if there is an issue with that, and we think that there's a student or a couple of students that might be in the wrong, we can just bring it back. Hey, our main value here at Dance sensations is that students feel safe and supported. Your actions there meant that little Susie didn't feel safe and supported like that's it,
Amanda Barr 13:01
absolutely, and I think that's really, really clever, because too many words can get you in trouble. If you had a social media policy, for example, that's like, not don't do this, don't do this, don't do this. You can do this, you know, blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah blah, well, maybe there's a loophole in it. Maybe there's something you've missed. You didn't write that, you know, and they're like, Oh, but I didn't do that. Whereas, if it's like, hey, our goal is to make sure everyone feels safe and secure, then that can be very, very clear, and it doesn't have to be so like, dot, dot, dot. And I think that's a really important thing inside our businesses, and I think that with everything,
Nathan Barr 13:37
yeah, without a doubt, like we said, like, especially in social media, like, you know, tick tock exploded under the scene. It was a couple of years ago. Now, I know, but if you've got a slight lag and don't get within two or three weeks to update this big, long social media policy, and the new platforms there, and all the kids are on it, well, you didn't say, I can't do it on tick tock, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 13:58
It just causes, like, all these little like gray areas, right? Yes. And
Nathan Barr 14:02
social media is definitely not the only place for it.
Amanda Barr 14:05
No, absolutely not. And I think by having, you know, these great values that your whole staff live by, you know, it is so easy to, you know, discuss any issues and also make decisions. So let's talk about issues. We talked about the social media, other issues we can talk about, you know, that might arise at our studio. You know, might be something like, you know, the child not being given, you know, not being put on stage for the routine, or something like that, being pulled off because, you know, three weeks, yeah, whatever, like whatever, that was, right, that they're not in part of the routine. Well, to me, that comes back to a value, yeah, and my values were making sure that they're creating incredible memories. Yeah, it being safe and inclusive. And to me, that word inclusive doesn't include. Child offstage because they went on a family vacation that's not inclusive to them. So it kind of comes back to all of those kind of things, and it makes it really easy to make decisions. And also, like, you know, chat to your staff about how that works, look and that's our that was our values. Please, don't get me wrong, any values that you want to great if you your value is we want to create elite, high level dancers that are ready for the industry. Awesome. That's so such a great value. That's your choice of value. And if that's the case, then yes, pulling that kid up off stage because they missed three weeks because they're on a family vacation, absolutely aligns with that value, but it just depends what the values are to you, right?
Nathan Barr 15:46
Without a doubt. Like I said, it's just so everybody's out there building the studio of their dreams, and everybody's is different, and so yeah, one Studio's values are going to be very different, and that's okay, but just making sure that you're clear with it. Just gives you that framework having strong studio values, gives you that framework for making the best decisions in all aspects of your business. Absolutely,
Amanda Barr 16:09
we chatted about this a lot for concert yesterday, in one of our calls, one of our group calls yesterday. And you know, it was a really interesting conversation we had, because one of the studio owners was chatting about, how does she choose the perfect concert venue, right? And so you might think concert venue has nothing to do with values, but when we pulled it back to it, it totally did, right? She was talking about, you know, one venue had an awesome stage and an awesome lighting setup, and it looked really great and really bougie for the parents, awesome. However, it had a shit backstage and the backstage area was crap and it was crowded. The other one had a really great backstage area, but it didn't have, you know, such a big stage. The stage was a little bit cramped out the wings. There wasn't enough wings. There was a few bits and pieces that were wrong with it. And so I came back to, okay, so what's your values? What's your main goal for the concert? For me, it was making incredible memories for my kids, for my students, okay? And once again, that's mine. That's no judgment on anybody else's like each their own. So for me, making incredible memories for kids, the kids spend 85% of their time off stage, so therefore the backstage area is actually more important to me than what it looks like from the audience perspective. Don't get me wrong, I do think that's important. There is a lot to that, but you know, that's where my main value lies, is making sure that's amazing for the kids. So whether that's because of the change rooms, or whether that's because of other things that I do backstage, I want the backstage experience to be incredible for them, because that's where they're making their memories. So I think that really helps in, you know, making decisions around that, you know, if you are, once again talking about that elite kind of high level studio, and your goal is prepare them for industry, well then I actually think the opposite you should be going for the really great stage with cramped dressing rooms. Because if you're working in the industry, quite often, you have cramped dressing rooms, and it's, you know, it's a very different type of vibe. So I think that knowing what you want out of your values in your studio, and then also, like, moving forward to your like, end of your show, your concert, whatever that is, it can really help decision making. Yes,
Nathan Barr 18:30
and I think that is having these values is what helps you move into that next level of leadership within your business and your studio, because being a great leader isn't about micromanaging and telling everybody what to do in every decision. Being a great leader is about empowering those around you, your staff, to be able to make great decisions for your business, because then that allows you to focus on the bigger picture, on growing your business and all those other things that are important to you, right?
Amanda Barr 19:07
I love that you've brought that up because we chatted about that as well, right, like on yesterday's call. You know, once again, my personal value around the concert was making sure that every kid had memories that last a lifetime, that it was perfect for them.
Nathan Barr 19:25
Sorry, just, I think you just missed it was like our concept values were that every parent and their families had great memories as well.
Amanda Barr 19:33
Absolutely, absolutely, but, you know, especially around our students as well. Yes, I think it's, you know, it was all about making memories as well for the kids, and that's really important. And I think that that's it helped with how we how I led my staff, because what I didn't have to do was go, Okay, if this happens, do this. You. This happens. Do this. If x happens. If this goes wrong, do this. Because what I actually did was talked about every individual child and their families experience had to be incredible. It had to be making memories for them. So with that in mind, that helped them decide how to solve issues when they arrived. So if an issue arose where, you know, the student arrived without their shoes on, without their shoes, we've all had that situation, right pain in the ass. No one wants a dance without you know, who's forgotten their ballet shoes? So, so annoying. But my staff knew that making incredible memories for that kid did not include number one, them not going on stage. Did not include them being yelled at. Did not include, oh, I've
Speaker 1 20:47
got balloons going off in my in my Zoom Room. I love my balloons. I
Amanda Barr 20:52
speak so much with my hands. If you're watching us on YouTube, you'll see that I speak so much with my hands. And all my balloons go off all the time anyway. You know, them being berated, the parent being made to feel bad. None of that aligns with making incredible memories. So therefore, the problem was just fixed. We would find a pair of shoes to put them on right, absolutely,
Nathan Barr 21:15
and it's the same, you know, things like, you know, if the parent, if the kid turned up with their hair wrong, or the makeup, like looking like a bit of a hot mess. I think it's sometimes, like not Empath like sometimes, like, we know, with our youngest, like sometimes doing things like getting hair or makeup done can involve almost World War Three at our house of the morning. And so it could have been a really stressful couple of hours if I then turn up to concert drop off and I get some sort of angry teacher berating me and my kid. That just makes a horrible memory for both of us. Yeah,
Amanda Barr 21:48
absolutely. And look, that's that made it easy for us to make decisions in our business. And look, yours might be really high end. And therefore, if they don't have their shoes and there was no spare ones, well, they're not going on stage because that's not preparing them for, you know, professional performance. I generally don't think that's the right thing for a dance studio, to be honest. But that's beyond the point. The point of today's podcast is having those values, making sure your staff understand them, so they can make decisions around those and empowering them, right?
Nathan Barr 22:19
And I think we would talk about, you know, we would talk about the values as we went through the concert day as well, because, and again, having that really big overarching one of the fact that parents and their families are having incredible experience and making positive memories. We know that our high level comp kids and parents do have different expectations around a concert day than our kindergarten, rec and our preschool students, even so, when we have, like, our little pre meeting before the concert, we can talk about that, that it is meant
Speaker 1 22:50
to be a little bit for different kids in different shows. Yeah, exactly
Nathan Barr 22:53
for different clients within your studio, but as long as you're communicating that you can still make those, those decisions on the fly, and, like I said, empowering your team to make those decisions Absolutely.
Amanda Barr 23:04
So we would love to encourage you, if you aren't clear about what your studio stands for, you know it's something that you should be brainstorming. It's something you should be discussing with your team. What are we known for? What's important to us? What do we care most about in our studio? What do our clients say they love most about us? And what do we really want to lean into? And that might be a great framework for you to start thinking about what your values are, I guess. Yeah,
Nathan Barr 23:32
without a doubt. And definitely something that you know, if you don't do staff training, starting to get think about getting it ready for 2025 with your team and do something. Yeah, get get all together, get that staff training going. And this can be it's a really great first activity, especially if you've never done it before, because your team loves your team is passionate about your studio. We know that lots of you have team members that have often grown up dancing in your studio. It's a really great activity to get them involved in, and can have so many benefits for you, your business and your studio.
Unknown Speaker 24:03
Absolutely, absolutely. Thank you so much for joining us on the dance principles United podcast.
Amanda Barr 24:09
Great to chat to you as always.
Unknown Speaker 24:12
Thanks eighth. Thank
Nathan Barr 24:13
you so much, guys. And like we said at the start, if you've got any questions or anything you would like to hear discussed on the podcast, please drop it in our DMS. We'd love to hear from you. Thanks, guys. Bye.
Amanda Barr 24:23
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